Notes for my writing

This blog is made up of notes on the gospel as found in the only true and living church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. This includes notes that are either excerpts from or ideas for books I either have in draft or may yet write.

Wednesday, July 23, 2014

The prophets of this and other ages are not and were not racists.

I am surprised at members who blithely proclaim that the priesthood was withheld from the blacks during much of this dispensation because the prophets were racists. One member who advocated this view nicely illustrated the road it leads down.

He believed that Bruce R McConkie kept the priesthood from going to the blacks. His accusations of that apostle were quite radical. In order to rationalize his accusations, he believed that the church is led by debate and discussion. He believed that the priesthood was withheld as a continuing act of racism by modern day prophets. He had come to the point where he believed that the prophets in the scriptures were bigots,

Wow, talk about being able to judge a doctrine by its fruits.


I gather my responses to him as well as other arguments here because it is nice to have some ideas of how to answer such a ridiculous idea, though the best reply to such ideas may simply be "Have more faith".

These were written to someone who was firmly and publicly asserting that the brethren were racists. So keep that in mind when reading them. 

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This is the church of Jesus Christ, not the Church of Internal Debate

You write as if the brethren weren't using revelation to decide how to act but internal debate. The account of the revelation on the priesthood is as clear as the account of the vision of the redemption of the dead, or Peter's vision that the gospel would go to the gentiles despite all the years during Christ's mortality of doing the opposite. This is the Church of Jesus Christ, not the church of internal debate. In fact, this is the only church on the face of the earth that is led by revelation rather than by internal debate. You simply could not have been more wrong.

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Debate and discussion is no more a correct description of how that church is led than it is a correct description of how a testimony is gained.

Regarding your claim that the brethren lead the church by internal debate. Yes, The Lord does expect us to study things out. That is different than your tacit claim that the Lord's hand is shortened so he cannot grant revelations on behalf of an entire race if, as leaders study it out, his revelations don't match their gut instincts. But that is only half the story. The real issue is that studying something out is still radically different in the church than in the world. It involves a group seeking the whisperings of the spirit. They discuss, yes, but they also listen, and primarily for the direction of the Holy Ghost. Debate and discussion is no more a correct description of it than it is a correct description of how one gains a testimony. Yes, there is studying out of the word, but it is coupled with the whisperings of the Holy Ghost, the whisperings of that being who, when it speaks to us, allows us to say "I KNOW" instead of just "I believe". That is the way the church is led and, yes, that IS revelation. Joseph Smith stated "The Holy Ghost is a revelator, no man can receive the Holy Ghost without receiving revelations."

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If you are publishing your claims that almost all modern prophets were racists and misconstruing the brethrens actions in destructive ways to further your arguments,  that is apostacy.

You seem to just not be able to write much that isn't somehow laced with criticism of church leaders, at least, that is what you opened with, and you immediately clarified that your criticism wasn't limited to defaming just one apostle (because you did portray him as essentially holding the priesthood away from many somehow against God's own will), but extended it to the others by calling them racists. Obviously not every prophet was just blindly following a statement by Orson Hyde. You are accusing a lot of our prophets of racism. It makes me think of a statement I ran into recently where someone had asked whether it was apostacy to disagree with the church. The answer was no, but that if one not only disagreed, but then went about publishing their views and misconstruing the actions of church leaders in destructive ways to further their cause, well, that was the definition of apostacy. Does that not fit? There must be better directions you can take your life.

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Describing the leadership of prophets and apostles divorced from the guidance of the Holy Ghost takes the life out of it and is a lie.

Did I mention that the church is no more led by internal debate than one gains a testimony by debate? Studying something out coupled with listening to the whisperings of the spirit is a completely different thing that debate and discussion. That is a key to revelation which is why it can bring a testimony, which is, itself, a revelation. The church is led by the the same pattern of revelation that allows one to stand up and say "I KNOW the Church is true". 

Describing the church as being led in the way you portray is no more correct than describing a testimony as being gained by debate. You have wrung the Holy Ghost completely out of the matter, and have described what would be left without it. You may as well give a man's eulogy by describing his dead physical corpse. You took all the life out of it, described what was left, and called that the church. Put the life back into it, and then describe how the church is led. It is led by men, yes, studying things out, but also seeking unison and the listening for the whisperings of the Holy Ghost as they study it out. They have sacred experiences that they do not share, and have said so on multiple occasions.

Your portrayal of it as being led by internal debate is both misleading and destructive because it robs the church of its lifeblood of revelation.

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Blessings that vary from group to group are all through the scriptures and the gospel.

Actually blessings that vary from group to group are all through the gospel. We get patriarchal blessings to find out which tribe we belong to. Different tribes are called to play different roles. We believe that all who accept the gospel are adopted into the seed of Abraham and inherit blessing from that. The gospel went first to Israel, then to the gentiles. In the latter days, it is going first the the gentiles, and then to the Jews (as stated all through the scriptures). There are some promises made to the Jews, other promises made to the Lamanites, others made to the Israelites and yet other promises made to those who live in the Americas. Why isn't everyone in the church offended at all this apparent racism and ethnicism? The answer is easy, we KNOW it isn't racism because we know our God, and have faith that he knows best. 

This time in the world's history is rather unique. In these days the gospel is taken to all people.
Christ did not have his disciples go to teach among the gentiles until after his resurrection, when a revelation was given to Peter. 

Christ even expressed initial reluctance to do a miracle for a gentile woman. He even stated to his disciples "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." 

If Brigham Young had said the same, would have not many have called it an act of racism? Should we call Christ a racist for stating that he was "not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel".

Absolutely not. We do not correct the Savior with modern political correctness. Instead we cast away the ideas of men and listen to the Savior.


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The claim that revelation was superceded by personal racism to the detriment of huge numbers of souls is inconsistent with the truth that this church is led by Jesus Christ. It is a not a little lie, it is a big lie.

If a man is holding an eagle but insisting that is is a catfish, I would feel like something was seriously wrong. The more seriously and insistently he claims it, the more I might think he was either crazy or struggling with some sort of delusional deviousness. Its the method of "people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it."

You are doing the same thing. And so I suppose I will keep on pointing it out.

Big Lie: One can have true faith that this church is led by Jesus Christ and simultaneously believe that the church kept the priesthood from black men for 150 or so years because the apostles and prophets in the church were too bigoted to accept God's will to the contrary.

According to the Lectures of Faith in order for a man to gain faith sufficient unto life and salvation he must know that the course he is pursuing the course God desires him to pursue.

If our leaders can't properly give inspiration on saving and exalting ordinances for millions of people on the earth, then it simply isn't the Church of Jesus Christ now is it. He wouldn't be the one in charge in that sort of situation.

Also, according to lectures on faith, it would be impossible for members who accepted such an idea to ever develop faith sufficient unto life and salvation. If you can't trust your leaders at that scale, you can't really trust any of their counsel now, can you?

This is a big lie in the sense of the above propaganda method. It is utterly false, it is destructive propaganda. You have dressed it up nicely. That is no surprise, as it makes it more palatable. But it is a big lie.

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The leaders of the church are not and were not racists.

Let me first point out that the native americans and the white settlers had a prolong and bloody history. As examples I know of directly, one of my ancestors had his wife and his six children stolen from his home during the french american war. Note that capturing a woman and six children and running off with them is by no means advancing a war effort. The woman and three of the children were later killed out of hand and the other three, including the one I am descended from, were transported and sold as slaves by their native american captors.

Researching another ancestor I find that in the earliest years of the settlement of north america there was a period during which English settlements would simply disappear, being burnt to the ground with the inhabitants killed or carried away by the natives. The settlers simply had no way of knowing if their settlement would be next.

My point is not to argue sides in all that american history. My point is merely to point out that native americans and white settlers had a prolonged and bloody history.

-- Having established that -- 

So if the early brethren were really racists it is extraordinarily peculiar that they took such pains to get the gospel to the native americans by sending 4 missionaries walking 1500 miles to preach to them less than a year after the church was established with just 6 members. 

Critics are good at ignoring that the gospel was sent early on to a race that had a long and bloody history with the white settlers, i.e. a long history with the very group the early church leaders were part of. 

Parley Pratt served multiple missions in south america. The early church had missionaries going to diverse parts of the world. At tremendous difficulty early church members served in parts of the world where they had no knowledge of the language or culture, just to save souls. This is not white supremacy! These men were not racists! The claim is absolultely ridiculous!

This effort continued through those many years you accuse the brethren of racism. A well known example, Joseph F Smith, served in Hawaii at the age of 15. He was called to go there by the church leaders you accuse of racism, to bring those people the gospel. The accusations of racism by church leaders are just so absolutely ridiculous. They carried the gospel to diverse parts of the world at great personal cost. Those who cry racism do so because they are closing their eyes to the great difficulties suffered by those who would travel to people with diverse skins and cultures in the hope of saving their souls. These were not the days of the MTC and relative safety for missionaries. This was a wide open world with no guarantees that you would come back. It was in days of poverty and struggle when the sacrifice was far more extreme. It was often leaving your wife and children to work the farm in the dessert of Utah so you could save someones soul, quite possibly someone whose skin was different than your own. 

The claim that they were racists goes well beyond ignorance because it is so deeply insulting to the terrible sacrifices they made, in many cases precisely to save the souls of those of other races and cultures. This is not a group blinded by the ideals of their own cultures and flesh tones. It is quite the opposite. It is just so insulting and ignorant to stomp on their tremendous sacrifices and call them racists.

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A note on wording.

If something is ridiculous, silly, insulting or ignorant, I will use words like "ridiculous", "silly", "insulting" or "ignorant". These are real concepts, not just arbitrary words

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Addressing the falsehood - stick to its core contradiction

As those who teach this are effectively using the method of "people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it" then it is important to keep those big lies front and center, pointed out for what they are.

Big Lie #1: One can have true faith that this church is led by Jesus Christ and simultaneously believe that the church kept the priesthood from black men for 150 or so years because the apostles and prophets in the church were too bigoted to accept God's will to the contrary.

Big Lie #2: One can have true faith in the scriptures while reading the actions of the scriptural prophets as bigotry.

Saturday, July 19, 2014

Separation of church and state, worshiping according to the dictates of our conscience, and laws against immorality.

Separation of church and state, worshiping according to the dictates of our conscience, and laws against immorality are all illustrated as they correctly fit together in Alma 30.

Alma 30: 7 Now there was no law against a man’s belief; for it was strictly contrary to the commands of God that there should be a law which should bring men on to unequal grounds.
 8 For thus saith the scripture: Choose ye this day, whom ye will serve.
 9 Now if a man desired to serve God, it was his privilege; or rather, if he believed in God it was his privilege to serve him; but if he did not believe in him there was no law to punish him.
 10 But if he murdered he was punished unto death; and if he robbed he was also punished; and if he stole he was also punished; and if he committed adultery he was also punished; yea, for all this wickedness they were punished.
 11 For there was a law that men should be judged according to their crimes. Nevertheless, there was no law against a man’s belief; therefore, a man was punished only for the crimes which he had done; therefore all men were on equal grounds.

There you see the principles correctly illustrated. Separation of church and state is illustrated. Letting others worship according to the dictates of their own conscience is illustrated. And yet neither of this principles means it is wrong for the state to punish someone for adultery (verse 10). The state actually has an obligation to not lose track of what is morally wrong, and to consider it a civil matter. It also has an obligation to not use religious exemptions as justification for evil practices. We as members should be it's conscience and fight for it not to lose track of those things in its laws.

That was once acknowledged among the people generally I believe, but in the last 50 years or so it has slipped away from our thinking. Many now think that the opposite is true. So it bears repeating what we see illustrated clearly in these scriptures since we have been so heavy handedly taught the opposite for so very long.

1. When operating correctly, the principle of separation of church and state, does not mean the state should forget what is immoral, and not consider immorality a crime.

2. When operating correctly, the principle of letting others worship according to the dictates of their own conscience, does not mean the state should forget what is immoral, and not consider it a crime.

Now we live in a state that has all but lost its moral compass. But that doesn't mean we don't have a moral obligation to fight for whatever part of that moral compass remains, and to seek to restore what parts are lost.

The scriptural lanugage about adultery

I was led to muse what could one say in modern language that would be precisely as "kind" as these scriptures? These are rather a random smattering in no particular order. I have noticed that our language on these matters as regular members seems to vary significantly from the scriptural language, which I take as a red flag that we are missing something important.

Leviticus 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man’s wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

D&C 63: 14 There were among you adulterers and adulteresses; some of whom have turned away from you, and others remain with you that hereafter shall be revealed.
 15 Let such beware and repent speedily, lest judgment shall come upon them as a snare, and their folly shall be made manifest, and their works shall follow them in the eyes of the people.
 16 And verily I say unto you, as I have said before, he that looketh on a woman to lust after her, or if any shall commit adultery in their hearts, they shall not have the Spirit, but shall deny the faith and shall fear.
 17 Wherefore, I, the Lord, have said that the fearful, and the unbelieving, and all liars, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie, and the whoremonger, and the sorcerer, shall have their part in that lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.
 18 Verily I say, that they shall not have part in the first resurrection.

1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1 Corinthians 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

Alma 39:5 Know ye not, my son, that these things are an abomination in the sight of the Lord; yea, most abominable above all sins save it be the shedding of innocent blood or denying the Holy Ghost?

Christ stated that the Pharisees secretly did not believe in God

I get tired of hearing how strictly obedient the scribes and the Pharisees of Christ's day were, particularly in view of Christ's frank assertions that they weren't at all. But I hadn't realized that Christ had stated that in secret they didn't even believe there was a God. Here are two great quotes from the Savior, who is, as always, being Christlike.

JST Luke 16:21 O fools! for you have said in your hearts, There is no God. And you pervert the right way; and the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence of you; and you persecute the meek; and in your violence you seek to destroy the kingdom; and ye take the children of the kingdom by force. Woe unto you, ye adulterers!

JST Matt 7:6 And Jesus said unto his disciples, Beholdest thou the scribes, and the Pharisees, and the priests, and the Levites? They teach in their synagogues, but do not observe the law, nor the commandments; and all have gone out of the way, and are under sin.
7 Go thou and say unto them, Why teach ye men the law and the commandments, when ye yourselves are the children of corruption?
8 Say unto them, Ye hypocrites, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

Sunday, July 13, 2014

How to teach children about sex

So the question came up, how does one teach gospel truths about sex and chastity? Particularly so in a day when sexual misbehavior has become a plague. I have had two bishops claim that having approximately 20% of ward being addicted to pornography seemed like a reasonable estimate. One of them felt like 20% was a minimal estimate.

So how does one teach gospel truths about sex and chastity?

Well, this is a topic in which I don't claim to have all the answers, and yet there are some incontrovertible principles that I think are being largely ignored. I may not know what the building looks like, but I can tell when the foundation is cracked.

Teaching by precept and example

A first observation is that we tend to think of teaching sex as being primarily presenting our children with the so called "facts of life". That is an important part, but it is a small part as well. Most of our teaching has to do with what they see us do. If your children believe from your example that when they become adults, or after they are married, or when they are 13, then they can watch movies with innuendo and provocative material without offending God, then you have failed to teach them how the gospel relates to sex. You may have conveyed some basic truths to them, and whatever truths you presented will be of value to them. But if what you have taught isn't what prophets and apostles have counseled on the matter, then it is not the gospel, and you aren't teaching your children what the gospel teaches about sex.

The other part of our teaching comes along in the day to day decisions of life and how we teach our children in those circumstances by precept and example. If your daughter is wearing a bikini to the swimming pool, then you have failed to teach her gospel truths about sex, regardless of what words you used to teach her the facts of life. The same is true if she wears short skirts or tight clothes. If your children think a little moral misbehavior on dates is normal, you have failed to teach them how the gospel relates to sex.

If our precepts about what is acceptable to watch, read, listen to, and become involved in differ from what the prophets and apostles teach then we are not teaching how the gospel relates to sex. We are teaching something else.

Not matters to be taken lightly


Chastity is a fundamental part of the gospel. Everyone knows that adultery is next to murder in seriousness. So we shouldn't treat the dark alleyway leading up to it as a light matter.

If ye receive not the Spirit, ye shall not teach

The most important principle in teaching anything about the gospel is found in the scriptures.

D&C 42:14 And the Spirit shall be given unto you by the prayer of faith; and if ye receive not the Spirit ye shall not teach.
 15 And all this ye shall observe to do as I have commanded concerning your teaching, until the fulness of my scriptures is given.
 16 And as ye shall lift up your voices by the Comforter, ye shall speak and prophesy as seemeth me good;
 17 For, behold, the Comforter knoweth all things, and beareth record of the Father and of the Son.

If you don't have the spirit you shall not teach. This is not just a commandment, it is an absolute truth about spiritual knowledge. When you are teaching about sex you are treading on sacred ground and you cannot teach it correctly without the spirit. If you do not have the spirit you will not be able to teach it truthfully. Sure, your facts may sound correct, but that is different that being able to convey a topic the way Heavenly Father wants your children to think of it.

You must be keeping all the laws regarding sex:
 - multiply and replenish the earth (not popular, but there it is), do not dam up the waters of life
 - no media that is in any way pornographic, provocative or that portrays immorality as acceptable
 - no innuendo in your media (President Monson has spoken out against innuendo)
 - you must not think you are Big Enough to see sleazy scenes now that you are grown up / married / whatever...
 - you must be modest, avoid tight or showy clothing and wear temple garments night and day.
 - you must not partake of sleaze or allow it into your own home for any reason. Instead you must fight to keep it out.

If you violate these there are two iron doors you cannot get past when attempting to teach your children about morality:
1. You have offended the Holy Ghost, and he will not accompany you on that topic.
2. You have given the adversary power to influence you, he will use that power to blind your mind when you want to teach your children on the matter.

We are accountable for knowing we need to do these things (as we all know), and if we do not teach them to our children by precept and example, then the sins will be upon the heads of the parents. That does not mean the children will not reap the harvest of misery and spiritual destructiveness that any violations always bring with them.

That is the main requirement for teaching your children about chastity. You must keep the commandments related to sex as purely as you can so you can have the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost will then accompany your teaching. There is simply nothing else that compares.

DC 121 teaches that the doctrine of priesthood will not distill upon us if we do not garnish our thoughts with virtue continually. Thus the answer is to be very pure in chastity and in how you treat the waters of life, search the scriptures and the doctrine of the priesthood will descend, and then you will know what to say and when and how. Then you will teach by the power of the Holy Ghost and thus what you teach will be the mind and will of the Lord and the power of God into salvation. Understanding how family, marriage and intimacy really tie into the gospel is part of the doctrine of the priesthood that is only given by revelation. It is a mystery of the kingdom. We cannot get it by some other path than the ordained one.

There is no other method that works. Any method that is not about putting aside our rampant culturally accepted lusts so the holy ghost will be with us when we teach about sex will fail, because if you do not have the spirit, you cannot teach the gospel and the gospel is about gaining a body and subjecting it to the will of the father by being chaste, garnishing your thoughts with virtue continually, and receiving with joy the blessings of posterity like the sands of the sea promised to Abraham, even if like Abraham you only receive the full measure of that in the resurrection.

Wednesday, July 9, 2014

How we will be judged as found in the Book of Mormon

Rather than write a discussion of this, I think it is more compelling to copy every Book of Mormon verse in which the word "judged" is used in reference to what criteria we will be judged by at the final judgment, and to highlight how that judgment will be made in each verse. Of course, one verse is sufficient, but when there is more than one that is nice.

1 Nephi 15:32 And it came to pass that I said unto them that it was a representation of things both temporal and spiritual; for the day should come that they must be judged of their works, yea, even the works which were done by the temporal body in their days of  probation.
33 Wherefore, if they should die in their wickedness they must be cast off also, as to the things which are spiritual, which are pertaining to righteousness; wherefore, they must be brought to stand before God, to be judged of their works; and if their works have been filthiness they must needs be filthy; and if they be filthy it must needs be that they cannot dwell in the kingdom of God; if so, the kingdom of God must be filthy also.

2 Nephi 9:44 O, my beloved brethren, remember my words. Behold, I take off my garments, and I shake them before you; I pray the God of my salvation that he view me with his all-searching eye; wherefore, ye shall know at the last day, when all men shall be judged of their works, that the God of Israel did witness that I shook your iniquities from my soul, and that I stand with brightness before him, and am rid of your blood.

Mosiah 3:24 And thus saith the Lord: They shall stand as a bright testimony against this people, at the judgment day; whereof they shall be judged, every man according to his works, whether they be good, or whether they be evil.

Mosiah 16:10 Even this mortal shall put on immortality, and this corruption shall put on incorruption, and shall be brought to stand before the bar of God, to be judged of him according to their works whether they be good or whether they be evil—
 11 If they be good, to the resurrection of endless life and happiness; and if they be evil, to the resurrection of endless damnation, being delivered up to the devil, who hath subjected them, which is damnation—
 12 Having gone according to their own carnal wills and desires; having never called upon the Lord while the arms of mercy were extended towards them; for the arms of mercy were extended towards them, and they would not; they being warned of their iniquities and yet they would not depart from them; and they were commanded to repent and yet they would not repent.
 13 And now, ought ye not to tremble and repent of your sins, and remember that only in and through Christ ye can be saved?

Mosiah 27: 31 Yea, every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess before him. Yea, even at the last day, when all men shall stand to be judged of him, then shall they confess that he is God; then shall they confess, who live without God in the world, that the judgment of an everlasting punishment is just upon them; and they shall quake, and tremble, and shrink beneath the glance of his all-searching eye.

Alma 5:15 Do ye exercise faith in the redemption of him who created you? Do you look forward with an eye of faith, and view this mortal body raised in immortality, and this corruption raised in incorruption, to stand before God to be judged according to the deeds which have been done in the mortal body?

Alma 11:41 Therefore the wicked remain as though there had been a no redemption made, except it be the loosing of the bands of death; for behold, the day cometh that all shall rise from the dead and stand before God, and be judged according to their works.

Alma 11:44 Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but every thing shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.

Alma 12:8 And Zeezrom began to inquire of them diligently, that he might know more concerning the kingdom of God. And he said unto Alma: What does this mean which Amulek hath spoken concerning the resurrection of the dead, that all shall rise from the dead, both the just and the unjust, and are brought to stand before God to be judged according to their works?

Alma 12:12 And Amulek hath spoken plainly concerning death, and being raised from this mortality to a state of immortality, and being brought before the bar of God, to be judged according to our works.
 13 Then if our hearts have been hardened, yea, if we have hardened our hearts against the word, insomuch that it has not been found in us, then will our state be awful, for then we shall be condemned.
 14 For our words will condemn us, yea, all our works will condemn us; we shall not be found spotless; and our thoughts will also condemn us; and in this awful state we shall not dare to look up to our God; and we would fain be glad if we could command the rocks and the mountains to fall upon us to hide us from his presence.
 15 But this cannot be; we must come forth and stand before him in his glory, and in his power, and in his might, majesty, and dominion, and acknowledge to our everlasting shame that all his judgments are just; that he is just in all his works, and that he is merciful unto the children of men, and that he has all power to save every man that believeth on his name and bringeth forth fruit meet for repentance.

Alma 33:22 If so, wo shall come upon you; but if not so, then cast about your eyes and begin to believe in the Son of God, that he will come to redeem his people, and that he shall suffer and die to atone for their sins; and that he shall rise again from the dead, which shall bring to pass the resurrection, that all men shall stand before him, to be judged at the last and judgment day, according to their works.

Alma 36:15 Oh, thought I, that I could be banished and become extinct both soul and body, that I might not be brought to stand in the presence of my God, to be judged of my deeds.

Alma 40:21 But whether it be at his resurrection or after, I do not say; but this much I say, that there is a space between death and the resurrection of the body, and a state of the soul in happiness or in misery until the time which is appointed of God that the dead shall come forth, and be reunited, both soul and body, and be brought to stand before God, and be judged according to their works.

Alma 41:3 And it is requisite with the justice of God that men should be judged according to their works; and if their works were good in this life, and the desires of their hearts were good, that they should also, at the last day, be restored unto that which is good.
 4 And if their works are evil they shall be restored unto them for evil. Therefore, all things shall be restored to their proper order, every thing to its natural frame—mortality raised to immortality, corruption to incorruption—raised to endless happiness to inherit the kingdom of God, or to endless misery to inherit the kingdom of the devil, the one on one hand, the other on the other—
 5 The one raised to happiness according to his desires of happiness, or good according to his desires of good; and the other to evil according to his desires of evil; for as he has desired to do evil all the day long even so shall he have his reward of evil when the night cometh.
 6 And so it is on the other hand. If he hath repented of his sins, and desired righteousness until the end of his days, even so he shall be rewarded unto righteousness.
 7 These are they that are redeemed of the Lord; yea, these are they that are taken out, that are delivered from that endless night of darkness; and thus they stand or fall; for behold, they are their own judges, whether to do good or do evil.
 8 Now, the decrees of God are unalterable; therefore, the way is prepared that whosoever will may walk therein and be saved.
 9 And now behold, my son, do not risk one more offense against your God upon those points of doctrine, which ye have hitherto risked to commit sin.
 10 Do not suppose, because it has been spoken concerning restoration, that ye shall be restored from sin to happiness. Behold, I say unto you, wickedness never was happiness.
 11 And now, my son, all men that are in a state of nature, or I would say, in a carnal state, are in the gall of bitterness and in the bonds of iniquity; they are without God in the world, and they have gone contrary to the nature of God; therefore, they are in a state contrary to the nature of happiness.
 12 And now behold, is the meaning of the word restoration to take a thing of a natural state and place it in an unnatural state, or to place it in a state opposite to its nature?
 13 O, my son, this is not the case; but the meaning of the word restoration is to bring back again evil for evil, or carnal for carnal, or devilish for devilish—good for that which is good; righteous for that which is righteous; just for that which is just; merciful for that which is merciful.
 14 Therefore, my son, see that you are merciful unto your brethren; deal justly, judge righteously, and do good continually; and if ye do all these things then shall ye receive your reward; yea, ye shall have mercy restored unto you again; ye shall have justice restored unto you again; ye shall have a righteous judgment restored unto you again; and ye shall have good rewarded unto you again.
 15 For that which ye do send out shall return unto you again, and be restored; therefore, the word restoration more fully condemneth the sinner, and justifieth him not at all.

Alma 42:22 But there is a law given, and a punishment affixed, and a repentance granted; which repentance, mercy claimeth; otherwise, justice claimeth the creature and executeth the law, and the law inflicteth the punishment; if not so, the works of justice would be destroyed, and God would cease to be God.
 23 But God ceaseth not to be God, and mercy claimeth the penitent, and mercy cometh because of the atonement; and the atonement bringeth to pass the resurrection of the dead; and the resurrection of the dead bringeth back men into the presence of God; and thus they are restored into his presence, to be judged according to their works, according to the law and justice.
 24 For behold, justice exerciseth all his demands, and also mercy claimeth all which is her own; and thus, none but the truly penitent are saved.
 25 What, do ye suppose that mercy can rob justice? I say unto you, Nay; not one whit. If so, God would cease to be God.

3 Nephi 14:1 And now it came to pass that when Jesus had spoken these words he turned again to the multitude, and did open his mouth unto them again, saying: Verily, verily, I say unto you, Judge not, that ye be not judged.
 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged; and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 Nephi 26:4 And even unto the great and last day, when all people, and all kindreds, and all nations and tongues shall stand before God, to be judged of their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil—
 5 If they be good, to the resurrection of everlasting life; and if they be evil, to the resurrection of damnation; being on a parallel, the one on the one hand and the other on the other hand, according to the mercy, and the justice, and the holiness which is in Christ, who was before the world began.

3 Nephi 27:14 And my Father sent me that I might be lifted up upon the cross; and after that I had been lifted up upon the cross, that I might draw all men unto me, that as I have been lifted up by men even so should men be lifted up by the Father, to stand before me, to be judged of their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil—
 15 And for this cause have I been lifted up; therefore, according to the power of the Father I will draw all men unto me, that they may be judged according to their works.
 16 And it shall come to pass, that whoso repenteth and is baptized in my name shall be filled; and if he endureth to the end, behold, him will I hold guiltless before my Father at that day when I shall stand to judge the world.
 17 And he that endureth not unto the end, the same is he that is also hewn down and cast into the fire, from whence they can no more return, because of the justice of the Father.
 18 And this is the word which he hath given unto the children of men. And for this cause he fulfilleth the words which he hath given, and he lieth not, but fulfilleth all his words.
 19 And no unclean thing can enter into his kingdom; therefore nothing entereth into his rest save it be those who have washed their garments in my blood, because of their faith, and the repentance of all their sins, and their faithfulness unto the end.
 20 Now this is the commandment: Repent, all ye ends of the earth, and come unto me and be baptized in my name, that ye may be sanctified by the reception of the Holy Ghost, that ye may stand spotless before me at the last day.

3 Nephi 27:25 For behold, out of the books which have been written, and which shall be written, shall this people be judged, for by them shall their works be known unto men.
 26 And behold, all things are written by the Father; therefore out of the books which shall be written shall the world be judged.

Mormon 3:18 Yea, behold, I write unto all the ends of the earth; yea, unto you, twelve tribes of Israel, who shall be judged according to your works by the twelve whom Jesus chose to be his disciples in the land of Jerusalem.
 19 And I write also unto the remnant of this people, who shall also be judged by the twelve whom Jesus chose in this land; and they shall be judged by the other twelve whom Jesus chose in the land of Jerusalem.
 20 And these things doth the Spirit manifest unto me; therefore I write unto you all. And for this cause I write unto you, that ye may know that ye must all stand before the judgment-seat of Christ, yea, every soul who belongs to the whole human family of Adam; and ye must stand to be judged of your works, whether they be good or evil;

Mormon 6:21 And the day soon cometh that your mortal must put on immortality, and these bodies which are now moldering in corruption must soon become incorruptible bodies; and then ye must stand before the judgment-seat of Christ, to be judged according to your works; and if it so be that ye are righteous, then are ye blessed with your fathers who have gone before you.

Mormon 8:18 And he that saith: Show unto me, or ye shall be smitten—let him beware lest he commandeth that which is forbidden of the Lord.
 19 For behold, the same that judgeth rashly shall be judged rashly again; for according to his works shall his wages be; therefore, he that smiteth shall be smitten again, of the Lord.
 20 Behold what the scripture says—man shall not smite, neither shall he judge; for judgment is mine, saith the Lord, and vengeance is mine also, and I will repay.

Moroni 7: 14 Wherefore, take heed, my beloved brethren, that ye do not judge that which is evil to be of God, or that which is good and of God to be of the devil.
 15 For behold, my brethren, it is given unto you to judge, that ye may know good from evil; and the way to judge is as plain, that ye may know with a perfect knowledge, as the daylight is from the dark night.
 16 For behold, the Spirit of Christ is given to every man, that he may know good from evil; wherefore, I show unto you the way to judge; for every thing which inviteth to do good, and to persuade to believe in Christ, is sent forth by the power and gift of Christ; wherefore ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of God.
 17 But whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do evil, and believe not in Christ, and deny him, and serve not God, then ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of the devil; for after this manner doth the devil work, for he persuadeth no man to do good, no, not one; neither do his angels; neither do they who subject themselves unto him.
 18 And now, my brethren, seeing that ye know the light by which ye may judge, which light is the light of Christ, see that ye do not judge wrongfully; for with that same judgment which ye judge ye shall also be judged.
 19 Wherefore, I beseech of you, brethren, that ye should search diligently in the light of Christ that ye may know good from evil; and if ye will lay hold upon every good thing, and condemn it not, ye certainly will be a child of Christ.

Tuesday, July 1, 2014

The recent "Maybe I'll meet a girl" propoganda and the priests of King Noah

Quick post. There has been an article going around facebook about the gay guy in the Book of Mormon musical who used to be LDS. The article presented the man as a sob story. It apparently wasn't his fault that he decided to start having sex with men.

[[Need to include lehis dream and those pointing and mocking]]

I was initially reminded of what I have been told about Dante's Inferno. Those in Hell and those in purgatory don't necessarily have different sins. But those in hell all have some big story explaining why the sin was just not their fault, and those in purgatory instead admit that they were responsible for their own sins. The guy in the article is clearly portrayed as not being responsible for his sins.

The tone of those who are supporters of this article brings to mind this part of the trial of Abinadi by the wicked priests of Noah.

Mosiah 12:20 And it came to pass that one of them said unto him: What meaneth the words which are written, and which have been taught by our fathers, saying:
 21 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings; that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good; that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth;
 22 Thy watchmen shall lift up the voice; with the voice together shall they sing; for they shall see eye to eye when the Lord shall bring again Zion;
 23 Break forth into joy; sing together ye waste places of Jerusalem; for the Lord hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem;
 24 The Lord hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations, and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God?

Now the point of that question by the priests of Noah is not that the priests of Noah find the scripture hard to understand. They are saying that Abinadi is going against the scriptures. They are saying that Abinadi should be "bringing good tidings", that he be "publishing peace". They think these scriptures condemn Abinadi because he isn't "bringing good tidings of good" and teaching that "The Lord hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem" and that "all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God".

The point is that to become qualified to be a priest of King Noah you had to avoid teaching that sin is bad. It seems much like what we see today where, in Joseph Fielding McConkie's words, "the only thing that is morally wrong is to say that something is morally wrong".  Instead to be a priest of Noah you needed to teach how pleased with everybody God was. You had to be publishing peace.

It is likely that while the scriptures describe the priests of king Noah as "wicked", they did all they could to make words like "wicked" very unpopular. Instead, you need to be publishing tidings of joy.

Interestingly, the same spirit is invoked today, both within and without the church, to condemn anyone that opposes anything evil. Almost always a popularized version of what it means to be "Christlike" is invoked, though I have yet to hear someone invoke what Christ actually said or did in support of such arguments. Some of those who invoke that spirit are genuinely evil. Some who invoke it simply prefer to be cool and popular. But both have the same effect of trying to silence anyone who tries to stand up for truth and right. They silence their targets by falsely accusing them of going against the scriptures.

The good new for their targets is that Christ actually DID teach:

3 Nephi 10 And blessed are all they who are persecuted for my name’s sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
 11 And blessed are ye when men shall revile you and persecute, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake;